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Posted by Nugget, on 2003-12-31 11:26:32

Palm trees

Hey, I'd like to find a good way to make palm trees. Is a wire armature with papier mache sufficient? Please help, Peter:7

Posted by Stix, on 2003-12-31 14:07:17

I'm curious to hear what the professionals say but you could make the trunks from clay covered with tissue and then shellaced (as in King Kong), for the palms you could cut them from paper, paint them and then dip them in wax, cut them from sheet plastic, or create masks for sheet metal etching in an acid bath, or use found objects like feathers.

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Posted by BarbiquePorkDog, on 2005-07-16 19:05:09

well im very new here with no skill at this stuff but maybe you could rip up a pine cone then use the pieces layered glued to a stick for trunk

Posted by Nugget, on 2004-01-01 13:53:14

Sounds like excellent advice, but sorry for my incompetence- what does shellaced mean? I shall definetely dip the leaves in wax, that should give a very plasticene world look, thanks. Peter

Posted by 240380, on 2005-09-14 12:53:07

Wow sounds really cool idea... currently working on building miniture sets for a vegetation landscape...might require palm trees... tried cuting the shape of a palm tree leaf from some real leaves...opps...hope i didnt make any environment sensitive members x( ... first time doing landscape...still prefer sculpting characters...:P

Posted by Stix, on 2004-01-01 16:33:35

I think shellacing (varnishing) the tissue covered clay trees (wire armatures inside for support) is like priming them so when you paint them the paint will adhere better without any chemical interference from the clay. The wax covered fronds is what the Museum of Natural History in NY used to do to create realisitic looking leaves.

Posted by Nugget, on 2004-01-02 07:23:59

I get it, sounds useful, thanks alot. What sort of wax should I use for the leaves though, and how do I prepare it? Thanks! Peter

Posted by Stix, on 2004-01-02 09:21:41

First, try just painting the paper leaves with Tempera paints and see how it photographs - dipping the leaves in melted wax (whatever is available at a crafts store) was necessary for a more convincing illusion in displays that would be seen in person.

Posted by Naf_21, on 2004-10-26 05:29:45

Dear Peter, I am currently working on a play in London and we require Palm leaves, saw you made some, how did you do it and did they look good. Many Thanks Nafeesah Butt

Posted by Nick H, on 2004-01-02 13:16:14

Museum preparators soak leaves in a mixture of alchohol and glycerine to preserve them. But I find there are plastic palm fronds in various sizes that work pretty well. They have a wire down the centre so you can shape them into a nice drooping curve. Look where there are artificial flowers for sale. There are also fan palm fronds made from fabric that come up well on camera. There are lots of ways to make trunks. Often there are bits of real plants that have the right look. I've seen some nice ridged miniature trunks growing in gardens, you'd have to cut the foliage off and replace it with artificial fronds. But if you want a Clay World look, they might be too real.

Posted by stopmoanimatior, on 2005-08-31 20:34:13

Go with this, go to home dept. or something like that and buy a dowel rod of some size. (which ever works best.) Layer the the dowel with paper machie (did I spell that right?) and for the leaves use maybe green colored tissue paper (available at any art store). But I do think paper machie will work as you had said. But if you do choose to use a dowel rod you may not even need paper machie. If you do not like this idea maybe try doing a back projection of real palm trees (but that is more time consuming and will not be effeciant if your charecters have to make contact with the palm tree). Experiment with it. See how well either ideas turn out. stopmoanimatior:D

Posted by motion_station, on 2005-08-02 04:34:28

Pine cone trunk... *Zac is fortunate to have a pine cone tree down his street* Nice idea.. Maybe you could just get some Leafs for the Palm tree and stick them on, Lots of leafs look like small palm trees.