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Posted by Gazorra (Guest), on 2001-03-17 12:21:59
monster attacking city
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User ID: 1125704 Feb 27th 9:24 AM
Hello, this is my first post here, how are you?
this film i'm making has a scene where a stop motion monster attacks a city. i have 2 options:
-film a real city, make 2 layers of that digitally, film my stop motion creature, paste the stop motion creature layer in between the 2 layers of life-action city, and thats that.
-film the stop-motion creature moving trough a paper model city.
what would be the best way? i imagine its pretty tough building a model city... then again, it might be worth it. i've been looking on the net for free models of houses to print out, but this so far got me an all-german-countryhouse-city with an occasionnal windmill, not the kind of city i was hoping for. i could make them myself but the skins for the paper building (the texture) would never look very realistic. any suggestions?
User ID: 1014104 Feb 27th 3:09 PM
How about you use digital STILL photos of a city skyline (instead of filming it)? Or, make sure your camera is really locked down on the tripod if you use a camcorder to film the city....you want an absolutely rock steady city shot, then you can digitally insert/sandwich your monster in the city.
For the model city you might be able to draw the "outlines" of the buildings on FLAT hardboard, then cut out the building shapes...then paint the building textures, windows, roofs, doors, etc.. So when you place these flat buildings in front of the cameras, it will look real dimensional buildings (but it's an illusion).
You do not need to build an entire model city....perhaps just construct a few city buildings (to BLEND-in with your digital city and composite your monster & some of the buildings within your digital composite. Anyway, just a thought. Maybe someone else might have ideas.
User ID: 0701364 Feb 27th 7:07 PM
One or two models for direct interaction (ie monster smashes building, or casts shadow) and the rest from still images seems like the way to go.
User ID: 1125704 Feb 28th 4:00 PM
I'll be using a super-8 camera, on a tripod of course. I'll film a couple of frames just to get the grain to move a little in a loop otherwise it'll be too obvious.
the monster will make some buildings explode (with powerful rays from its eyes)
and that i might have to do by cutting out a building from the city footage digitally and printing it out, pasting it on a paper model on the front.
Yep, thats what i'll do.
I think i'll create another layer of time lapse footage from the clouds over the city, with some different color settings (in photoshop) ...
anyway thanks for the suggestions!
User ID: 2163744 Mar 27th 6:08 PM
StopMo & Nick had a great idea, but taking it one step further and using your original thoughts. After you take your shots of the city, and scan them into the system. You could just easily steal the textures of the photgraphed buildings to create your models. Not sure how well that will translate when you reshoot w/ the monster.
Additionally you could probably put all the pieces together inside Aftereffects.
User ID: 0735934 Aug 17th 6:42 PM
One cool trick is to take your pictures of your "city/town/forest/wherever", and take your stills to a photo copy center. In the US any Kinkos, Office Depot, Office Max, will have lazer copy machines. They can take your still and blow it up in full color on a large piece of paper. Usually costs around a dollar fifty to two dollars.
You take your lazer copied picture and stick it to a piece of foam board with spray adhesive and tac or prop it up as your background. The trick works really well and only costs a few dollars. Place some model buildings in the foreground to blend in with the background and give dimension. Doll house furniture stores usually sell an array of textured plastics, as do model train hobby shops. Simply cut your textured plastic to fit on your building "made of wood or foam board" and glue it on.
John Ashlee at Will Vinton Studios would make cut outs for the windows and place pieces of cut up fluorescent light covers "you know the textured plastic ones?" over the holes from the inside. Cut a hole in your set floor and place the building over it and shine the light up inside. It works very well.
User ID: 8861793 Jan 6th 1:34 PM
These background photocopies really can be very , very real . But , It is very important , that you cannot see shadows of the models in on it . It is also important to keep the lights being exactly the same ( photo / set ) . But this trick is really super . It makes a realistic effect . Just try it .