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Posted by VitriolMotion, on 2010-10-04 20:18:57

Old(?) Town Set based on a Painting. - Need help identifying structures.

So, i'm wanting to create a Stop-Motion Set of a Town surrounded by debris similar to what's seen in a Zdzislaw Beksinski baroque/gothic painting. Problem is it's fairly dark and none of his paintings have Titles, so i'm having a lot of trouble finding info specific to this painting. The only information i've been able to find is that the painting itself was painted in 1976. Here it is; http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb55/joshthesim/002447.jpg Just wondering if anyone here would be able to indentify some of the objects seen, or pin the building style down to a certain era/area that I could find clearer reference photos of. In front of the buildings in the background a little to the right I can make out what looks like a wooden town sign, or maybe a trough of some kind? http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb55/joshthesim/002447_1.jpg This thin metal structure to the left of it also looks like a street light of some kind, as well. Which i'll be able to find a clearer image of, if I knew the era. Any tips on creating a scene like this are also greatly appreciated. I was thinking of using a Green screen for the back row of Buildings and editing them in later, which would also help when creating a fire/smoke effect. So I would just need to build the closest couple of buildings on the left and one on the right - if that is a building. Cheers.

Posted by grecodan, on 2010-10-04 20:26:01

I suspect this quote from the artist sums up the futility of your quest: "Meaning is meaningless to me. I do not care for symbolism and I paint what I paint without meditating on a story." I suspect it's wholly from his imagination, although given that he was a Pole and lived through World War II, I'm sure he had many experiences that might have inspired the setting in this painting. You might do some research on Warsaw during the war, or, looking further afield, to the carpet bombing of Dresden, photos of which resemble the buildings on fire in the background of this painting.

Posted by Nick H, on 2010-10-04 21:41:15

Do you want to go for a similar style - spindly, distorted shapes - or more realistic, like an actual street lamp in Warsaw might have looked? I have a book called The Fantastic Art of Beksinski, so I had a look at it. Many of the objects in his paintings seem to be one thing - like a group of trees, perhaps - but also suggest something else like skeletons and ribcages. Any interpretation that is completely literal would seem to miss the point. Go with whatever the images suggest in your own warped brain! If a similar style I would look at using a background painting for all the distant buildings, and only make the closer objects in 3d. Like you said - a layered approach with elements at different distances shot separately, so you can put in that brownish smog effect that often obscures the distance.

Posted by VitriolMotion, on 2010-10-06 19:47:43

Thanks for the suggestions, guys. [div class="dcquote"][strong]grecodan wrote:[/strong] I suspect this quote from the artist sums up the futility of your quest:"Meaning is meaningless to me. I do not care for symbolism and I paint what I paint without meditating on a story."[/div] Yeah, that's actually one of my favourite Artist Quotes. Reminds me a bit of; 'Different people get different things out of the images. It doesn't matter what it's about, all that matters is how it makes you feel.' -Adam Jones [div class="dcquote"][strong]Nick H wrote:[/strong] Do you want to go for a similar style - spindly, distorted shapes - or more realistic, like an actual street lamp in Warsaw might have looked?[/div] I was initially going to go as realistic as I could and found some great Warsaw reference images, but now that you've highlighted this - It makes less sense to go with that approach. Drawing more inspiration from his grotesque/distorted style makes much more sense, so that's what i'll try to achieve! Just up to whether I can create the desired shapes with wood, wire, styrofoam, two part plastic and cardboard! Cheers.

Posted by legomation guy, on 2010-10-05 05:21:06

Yeah it'd be cool to see everything all spindly in a stopmotion film. If you want the buildings to be on fire that's gonna be tough. The painters quote is very deep down to me and makes me actually think what he was thinking when he painted that....weird

Posted by Dean, on 2010-10-05 12:59:17

'Weird' is normal for an artist. Surely? Love the painting. Stop-mo in this style would be awesome. Great choice of inspiration.