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Posted by legomation guy, on 2010-05-16 10:15:55

Warzone set making

Yes I know I've posted a lot of topics recently, but this one is important. My first scene in the Zark project is a warzone. I have the general layout, but not the extras you really need to take the cake, like pothole, debris,blood and all that good stuff you find in a warzone.

Posted by josefuentes, on 2010-05-16 11:48:09

Well, I have a few ideas on achieving the particle-type effetcs your looking for, just go to Detonationfilms.com and download some of the debris and war video stock footage, everything else can be easily made with simple materials like plaster, salt dough or styrofoam.

Posted by legomation guy, on 2010-05-16 12:42:47

1 I hate parental controls 2 thanks for the debris idea 3 how do I keep the debris from moving whil I film

Posted by josefuentes, on 2010-05-16 16:51:55

Well, About number 3, what do you mean? The debris is like sand or pieces of building blowing up or falling apart, so I couldīnt imagine having it stay still, but in that case maybe just cut a segment and convert it into a still image, or something.. some more info on what you wanna go for would be helpful.

Posted by Nick H, on 2010-05-16 20:11:06

You need to avoid loose dirt or sand near the puppet or anywhere you are likely to drag you sleeve when animating. so it's better to build up the ground in plaster, then put paint or glue on and sprinkle sawdust or sand on, and let it dry. Then brush off the loose stuff, and add more paint. I have used loose sand to build up dunes further back where there was no risk of touching it. It's easier because you can just pour it on the set and shape it, then sweep it back into a bucket when you are finished. There's only one scene on a beach where I wanted a rat to leave footprints in the sand, so I had loose sand and tried my best not to disturb it while animating. It was really hard to do that! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33KElmMfKtc You can see some set making with particle board, styrene foam, plaster, and other materials in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZGGD9V97WU&feature=related

Posted by legomation guy, on 2010-05-16 20:09:10

O.K. I need a sinkhole to appear on the set and some of the puppets falling in with buildings and cars falling in too.... and maybe a tank :D

Posted by legomation guy, on 2010-05-16 20:46:33

Ok but what should I do about the sinkhole part

Posted by Nick H, on 2010-05-16 20:59:23

Cut a hole in your set floor. Line it with foil,or plastic or something. Let it hang down as deep as you want it to. Plaster over it and blend it in with the ground. Paint it. A lot depends on what tools and materials you are able to use. I find a couple of things like a drill and a jigsaw are pretty hard to do without. A bandsaw is nice but not essential. There are dozens of ways you can make anything. Most things can be made from softer materials you can cut with a knife, but the set floor needs to be sturdy enough to support everything, and have tiedown holes drilled in it. So for that you pretty well need particle board (or ply, or mdf) that needs a saw to cut it. However, the hole in the ground could be in an area where the puppet does not walk, so it could be light card or foamcore that you can cut with a snap-off blade knife. Then you can texture over it with paper mache, glue and sawdust, or plaster and hessian(burlap) fobric, to blend it together.

Posted by legomation guy, on 2010-05-16 21:45:26

I do have scroll saw, well it's not mine but my dad has one I could borrow.

Posted by alex uranga, on 2010-05-17 00:33:50

A scroll saw is good to have, but the tools you'd probably need the most are a dremmel, a drill, some files, and some good saws.

Posted by legomation guy, on 2010-05-17 06:11:22

You make me look stupid not knowing what a Dremmel is.I've heard of it in woodshop class,but........ What is it

Posted by legomation guy, on 2010-05-17 06:11:23

I have all of those tools except for whatever a Dremmel is

Posted by josefuentes, on 2010-05-17 10:21:22

I guess you should do a google search on it, hereīs a picture of one :http://www.epiacenter.com/bilder/projects/apple_cube/p4cube-dremmel.jpg It is simple a small tool that had a spinning bit where you put a sharp little disk, that can be used to cut metal rods or even holes in surfaces, I actually recently made a crater for a model of a city after a nuclear bomb attack, I made it with three very thick pieces of cardboard,where I built the form of the crater it a deep plastic bowl. I used a combination of salt, water, and flour(salt dough) to create the basic rocky texture. Then I added plaster and paint. Iīm going to look for a pic to show you what it looks like.

Posted by legomation guy, on 2010-05-17 16:08:46

Oh it's that thing, I have one but didn't know it was called a dremmel :-(

Posted by legomation guy, on 2010-05-19 14:59:31

Inside of a army helicopter O.K. I'm stumped at 41 seconds in my film because I have no idea on how to make the inside of a helicopter. Can someone please help.

Posted by idragosani, on 2010-05-19 16:28:36

Do you need to know what one looks like? Google is your friend: http://science.howstuffworks.com/apache-helicopter4.htm Building that is another story. You should work these things out before you even start shooting anything... get your sets planned out, your shot angles, etc etc etc

Posted by josefuentes, on 2010-05-19 16:33:25

this shouldnīt cost you very much, just use lots of tin foil, cardboard, paint and christmas lights, and also use the picture that Brett provided to use as a rough outline of what your own cockpit should look like.

Posted by legomation guy, on 2010-05-19 19:48:04

Alright thanks. ( I did look up a heli on google ) I just needed to know how to make the main interior body where the soilders sit.

Posted by Nick H, on 2010-05-19 21:08:57

The good thing about that Apache cockpit is, most shapes are flat and angular. So they could be card or wood practically anything. When I had a very angular military-styled van I was able to make it up from bent cardboard. Other vehicles with rounded corners needed to be made from thicker MDF and the rounded bits sanded off. So go with the angular style if you can! The curvy shape of the joystick would need to be modelled in epoxy putty or Sculpey over a bit of wire or rod.

Posted by legomation guy, on 2010-05-19 21:24:17

Thanks nick, I like to know that I don't have to go through all that sanding. :7