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Posted by BatteryFarm, on 2009-03-21 22:42:52

Moon Set?

I would really like to create a Moon-Themed set, but I'm not 100% sure what to use. I was thinking about just using white clay, but it sounds un-original and a bit bland. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm up for anything, as long as its reasonably priced. Thanks.

Posted by I_make_cartoons, on 2009-03-22 10:41:49

how big does it need to be? http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7994/sigwf3.png

Posted by Woolly Monster, on 2009-03-22 10:56:36

Paper-mache - it's almost free! Collect newpapers for a few weeks until you've got a good sized pile of them. Mix up some glue, either using wallpaper paste powder, or by diluting waterproof PVA (white) glue with the same quantity of water - make a couple of pints of it. Layer torn up newspaper and glue mixture in a big bucket, then give it a mix with your hands. If it isn't wet enough, add a bit more glue mixture. Leave it all to stand for a day (with a lid on), stirring it occasionally until it has all gone mushy. When it's the consistency of wet clay, it's ready to use! You can make hills/craters using dry scrunched up newspaper taped to the set floor, then covered in a layer of paper-mache. When your moon surface has all dried out, paint it with a layer of neat PVA glue to strengthen it. The you can paint your moon surface with acrylic paint or household emulsion, and glue sand/gravel etc. onto the surface to make it look like the moon. It works great (I used the same method to make an alien planet surface) and it is easy to drill through for tie-down holes!

Posted by danielpoeira, on 2009-04-11 21:14:57

I usually buy cool-looking sand and gravel from aquarium stores.

Posted by rhondanpro, on 2009-04-13 11:59:07

Here is a link on making craters that may help. http://www.terragenesis.co.uk/infopages/page223.html

Posted by Nofby, on 2009-03-22 11:44:08

Hi Ceri, Do you think that could work for my stone walls, over the carved foam? And maybe for a flagstone floor? It sounds very versatile. Or would the texture be a bit strange.

Posted by BatteryFarm, on 2009-03-22 16:23:30

Ok thanks! I'm working on a 2x2 piece of wood, so this paper-mache set should be great! The only thing I would need extra direction on is what to cover the paper-mache with? You said glue sand/gravel on it, but do you mean actual sand or gravel? Or should I use Talus from Woodland Scenics? If you could give me the best thing to place over the glued paper-mache to give it that moon surface look and feel, it would be really helpful! Thanks again!

Posted by Woolly Monster, on 2009-03-22 15:42:22

Hi Nofby, it is very versatile and you can make different textures by drawing/pressing into it when it is still damp. I'd be worried it wouldn't bond to the foam very well. If it's a thick layer of paper-mache you might get away with it, but a thin layer might peel of the foam as soon as it dried. It's worth doing a few experiments though!

Posted by castlegardener, on 2009-03-22 17:07:42

my blog has some pics of paper mache landscape building. Start here: http://castlegardener.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/some-set-building/ you may have to read some of the older/newer posts.

Posted by Woolly Monster, on 2009-03-22 17:24:21

[div class="dcquote"][strong]Quote[/strong] Ok thanks! I'm working on a 2x2 piece of wood, so this paper-mache set should be great! The only thing I would need extra direction on is what to cover the paper-mache with? You said glue sand/gravel on it, but do you mean actual sand or gravel? Or should I use Talus from Woodland Scenics? If you could give me the best thing to place over the glued paper-mache to give it that moon surface look and feel, it would be really helpful!Thanks again! [/div] You can use anything you like! Real sand or gravel (but not where you need to drill holes), sugar, salt, sawdust, fake modelmaking gravel - anything that will give you the look you want. I used red iron-ore ballast (from a model shop) on my alien planet set. Experiment! And as castlegardner would say, 'make a mess, have some fun!'. Oh and when you say 2x2 do you mean two feet, two yards or two metres?

Posted by BatteryFarm, on 2009-03-23 08:46:23

[div class="dcquote"][strong]Quote[/strong] my blog has some pics of paper mache landscape building. Start here:http://castlegardener.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/some-set-building/you may have to read some of the older/newer posts. [/div] Thanks, your blog really helped me out. Very creative!

Posted by BatteryFarm, on 2009-03-22 18:47:25

[div class="dcquote"][strong]Quote[/strong] [div class="dcquote"][strong]Quote[/strong]Ok thanks! I'm working on a 2x2 piece of wood, so this paper-mache set should be great! The only thing I would need extra direction on is what to cover the paper-mache with? You said glue sand/gravel on it, but do you mean actual sand or gravel? Or should I use Talus from Woodland Scenics? If you could give me the best thing to place over the glued paper-mache to give it that moon surface look and feel, it would be really helpful!Thanks again![/div]You can use anything you like! Real sand or gravel (but not where you need to drill holes), sugar, salt, sawdust, fake modelmaking gravel - anything that will give you the look you want. I used red iron-ore ballast (from a model shop) on my alien planet set.Experiment! And as castlegardner would say, 'make a mess, have some fun!'.Oh and when you say 2x2 do you mean two feet, two yards or two metres? [/div] I mean in Feet, sorry not to make that clearer. Thanks for the tips, I have to get to some experimenting! P.S. - I saw your alien video, very creative. I love your set as well!

Posted by McTodd, on 2009-03-23 04:54:24

You could maybe also splodge on a layer of plaster over it, texturing it as it dries.

Posted by BatteryFarm, on 2009-03-23 08:44:36

[div class="dcquote"][strong]Quote[/strong] You could maybe also splodge on a layer of plaster over it, texturing it as it dries. [/div] That sounds like it would be good as well. I may do that, thanks!

Posted by McTodd, on 2009-03-24 08:59:41

I only mentioned the plaster because it's quite recently that I started using it (for making moulds) and found it to be much easier to work with than I had previously feared, so to help bulk out or build up solid/rigid landscapes, especially irregular rocky/lunar types, I reckon you'd have no problems - good luck, and let us all know how you get on! ;-) Also, it just occurred to me, you could maybe take big chunks of plaster and break it up into rocks and boulders to dress the set.

Posted by BatteryFarm, on 2009-04-02 13:18:22

I'll have to remember to use the plaster for rocks and boulders, good tip!

Posted by Strider, on 2009-04-03 04:38:52

This set is made from paper mache: http://www.stopmotionanimation.com/dc/user_files/10225.jpg If I remember right, I used big sheets of brown kraft paper that I had previously crumpled up so it would have a rocky texture. I think I used a mix of elmer's glue and water to turn it into paper mache. Then over it I sprinkled some crumbled cork for rocks/dirt clods etc and painted it up with acrylics. The kind of cork I'm talking about is from a corkboard. Great stuff to use... very lightweight.



Posted by Ubatuber, on 2009-04-03 12:15:59

Crumbled cork, great idea, I'll have to try that....

Posted by BlindeBinken, on 2009-04-13 06:50:27

I've made a moon set, watch it on: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=68651&id=806629924&l=3395961983 (you don't have to be my facebookfriend to check it)

Posted by Nick H, on 2009-04-24 02:36:21

The alien planet in my film L'Animateur, at my YouTube page, is pretty much a moonscape, with craters and rough ground. Some craters were carved from polystyrene foam, then covered over and blended in to the ground with plaster and fibreglass matting. I had a reddish brown color, for a moon I'd use greys. Mostly pale greys, with a splatter of watered down dark grey to bring up the texture. There's a timelapse shot of making the main crater in a short video of painting the backdrop somewhere in there as well. You can see the styrene rocks before they are painted.

Posted by BatteryFarm, on 2009-06-23 22:54:08

thanks everyone for the links and loads of help!