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Posted by xj9000, on 2006-03-03 21:32:51

fire and water

as you all have probably heard i am coming closer to a deadline for a school movie for my retiring principal. i just want you all to tell me how you would make fire and/or water in a movie. i have only a couple of months to go. please hellllllllllllllllllp! regards mad chicken productions :-) (-:

Posted by xj9000, on 2006-03-03 21:36:21

oh yeah. i dont want you people to send me to places of the web site without a link. i had been surching for a hour just to find that a post did not exist. regards mad chicken productions :-) (-:

Posted by Strider, on 2006-03-03 23:12:11

um..... yeah, Right.

Posted by xj9000, on 2006-03-04 00:27:26

[div class="dcquote"][strong]Quote[/strong] um.....yeah,Right. [/div] whats this suppost to mean mike?

Posted by Strider, on 2006-03-04 01:06:40

I mean what I say and I say what I mean. I'm mystifying you aren't I?

Posted by Strider, on 2006-03-04 01:20:28

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Posted by Antony, on 2006-03-04 07:11:30

Lighter Fluid makes excellent fire and you will need a lot of water, depending how much you put on your set. Antony

Posted by Nick H, on 2006-03-06 03:02:38

Antony - Behave! I can see the lawsuits now, after he burns down the school and says you told him to put lighter fluid on his cardboard set... Ok, fire and water are effects, so go to the General Effects section, scroll down to the bottom and click on page 2, I saw a few topics about Fire and Water there. There may be more elsewhere, but I don't have time to look.

Posted by xj9000, on 2006-03-06 21:15:07

[div class="dcquote"][strong]Quote[/strong] Lighter Fluid makes excellent fire and you will need a lot of water, depending how much you put on your set.Antony [/div] i have to work with wood and cardboard. i am only in middle school so even though i play with legal fireworks, i dont play with lighterfluid in a garage. mad chicken productions :-) :-) :+

Posted by GStacy, on 2006-03-07 18:56:38

The folks on this board are amazingly helpful, but you do have to be more specific with your questions. I'll offer whatever help I can: When I was a kid I made a short with a fire-breathing dragon, and I got acceptable fire by cutting out flame-shaped pieces of yellow paper, taping them frame by frame to the "burning" object in the scene and shining an extremely bright light on the flames. What really helped was that I had a sheet of glass between the camera and the scene, and I put some vaseline on it over the flames, so they were blurred. I don't know if I was just lucky (sometimes you get very good results in one shot, and you can't replicate the effect successfully ever again), but at the time people thought it was real fire. As for water, it depends on if you mean water drops or an ocean or a puddle. You'd use very different techniques for each one. For water drops or splashes, I'd suggest making some with a hot glue gun. You can get one for about $5 at a craft store, and they make good fake water in small amounts. For running water, you could try cellophane or aluminum foil, and for an ocean a sheet of sparkly blue fabric (like the stuff people would make prom dresses out of) on top of aluminum foil for an animatable armature, or you could use a lot of dark blue clay, animated to look like waves (you could probably just squish in your thumbrpint over and over again between shots) and kept wet-looking and shiny with a little real water. Either way it won't look exactly realstic, but it will definitely read as water. If you just need a still lake, you can always use a mirror.

Posted by Nick H, on 2006-03-08 00:09:43

Gstacy, Hey, I did flashes from a gun the same way, a set of 3 paper cutouts, a bright Pinspot light to hit only the paper, and a sheet of glass with a little KY jelly to blur it so it didn't look like a cutout. These days it's easier to paint flames in afterwards in Photoshop, or use the cut-outs and then blur and distort them a bit in Photoshop (or Mirage or After Effects) to get a more real flame effect. There are examples of flame and water in the Archives at Stopmoshorts, which I hope will be up again in the next week. I use clingwrap for pouring and splashing water. Sorry I don't have the time to type out all the details I've posted on these topics in the past. I know they can be hard to find.

Posted by GStacy, on 2006-03-08 03:58:13

Doing video stuff in Photoshop is beyond my capabalities at this point (my computer slows to a crawl if I open Photoshop at all, and I think it'd explode if I got video files involved), and I assumed it was beyond a kid in middle school. I was trying to suggest the most low-tech, simple solution. I'm sure you could get a more realistic effect via computer, but doing it "old school" would probably get the job done, too.