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Posted by belloq (Guest), on 2001-03-17 12:04:03
NBC sculptural set detailing?
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User ID: 0812164 Sep 16th 2:44 PM
Looking at some photos in the making of Nightmare Before Christmas book, I was wondering how they accomplished the textures on some of their landscapes. Specifically I am interested in the wavy line textures of the ground and hills outside of the town, in the cemetery and curly hill scenes. I believe these lines also extend into the holiday forest and can be seen clearly on the movie poster. I wanted to use this kind of detail in a set, but could not replicate the "feathery" almost brush-painted quality of these low-relief three dimensional details. Hydrocal sets too quickly to attempt a texture of that magnitude. Self hardening clays are too heavy, cannot hold the details and are probably cost-prohibitive to cover an entire set. So if anyone has any ideas of how and with what materials/tools sets like those in Nightmare are detailed on top of hydrocal plaster, I would appreciate hearing about it. Many thanks.
User ID: 0826264 Sep 25th 5:53 PM
Hey, heres an idea how about using tile fixative you know the stuff u use in kitchens and bathrooms. i dont think it dries as quickly as hydrocal plaster. you see it on DIY programmes, they apply it with one of those forked spatualar thingies!!!! and it creates the same sort of effect as on the hills in NBC. U could experiment with the way u apply the fixative (it does have the same qualities and texture of plaster) Give it a go! and write back to let me know how it went! Bye! Good luck
User ID: 0283314 Sep 25th 6:07 PM
Great idea Grundle! Tile adhesive is probably more flexible than plaster too, so less likely to crack and flake off. I've got some in the shed left over from tiling the kitchen, might try it on a rough ground set, my usual plaster textures tend to fall off when the set is taken apart for storage.
User ID: 0826264 Sep 25th 6:19 PM
Good! let me know how it goes! Im starting my animation degree on monday im really excited. and im really interested in the set and puppet building part of it. i think as long as you dont over do the set. I love sets that give off an eerie atmosphere such as the ones in NBC.
User ID: 0826264 Sep 25th 6:23 PM
ooops.... kinda lost track of what i was saying there! What i meant to say was that as long as the set does not take main focus in the film it can heighten the atmosphere greatly. (but then u probabley already knew that didn't u!!!) ah well! c ya Nick
User ID: 8645673 Oct 8th 2:05 PM
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll check out the local home and hardware store for ideas. But I found something on dickblick.com that I might try. It is called acrylic paste or gel and it is used to create low relief textures in acrylic paint work. It appears that Drew Struzan and other illustrators use it for their projects. Look closely at his film posters. Has anyone used this stuff or do you have any further advice on this topic? Many thanks.
User ID: 0283314 Oct 10th 3:56 AM
I finally found the tile adhesive and tested it on a piece of masonite - I like it! Has slight sandy texture in it, dries dark grey and tough - not brittle like plaster, hard but sort of leathery. Would be good for rough ground, rocks, mud or rendered walls. Seems to stick really well.
User ID: 0826264 Oct 15th 8:30 AM
Hey nick, i,ve just tried it myself, and it looks brilliant when its been painted. Im using mine on the hills for my animation based on the napolionic war!!!!
User ID: 0701364 Oct 15th 5:32 PM
Napoleonic War? Like in battle scenes? Does that mean you have to animate 10,000 soldiers all at once?
User ID: 9649143 Oct 16th 5:42 AM
I'm a napoleonic war nut! :) Painting tiny napoleonic figures is just one of the tasks that prepared me for stopmotion work. It takes lots of patience :) I'd be very interested in knowing about your film idea.
User ID: 0826264 Oct 16th 2:20 PM
...to answer both nick and neils questions,i am animating "10,000 soldiers" all at once but im not using stopmotion for the battle scenes. Im using more metaphoric scenes, more personal towards a few select fictional characters. I still need to do some more research!....no offence guys but i dont want to chat about it to much right now, because its still in the early stages. Sorry!!!
User ID: 0220464 Oct 16th 5:16 PM
10,000 soldiers!! When you get that done it will be a great achivement!! Good luck.
User ID: 0826264 Oct 17th 12:23 PM
Well admittedley there won't exactly be 10,000 soldiers, but hopefully the techniques im using will give the impression that there are!!! thanks for the support Dylon
User ID: 0826264 Oct 17th 5:58 PM
User ID: 0220464 Oct 17th 9:54 PM
Does anyone know what the record is of - " most animated puppets in a single shot " ????
I'm very curious to what this may be.
User ID: 0701364 Oct 17th 11:13 PM
Nightmare Befoe Christmas had some pretty big crowd scenes, that might be a contender.
User ID: 9649143 Oct 18th 4:54 AM
The opening sequence of NMBC had a large crowd scene, but I think Chicken Run (from the few stills I've seen) has some large roll call scenes which have quite a lot of chickens. I also remember a certain Nick H animating a lot of monkeys in one scene :)
On the 10,000 sequence you could actually use Napoleonic wargame figures painted up for the men.
If your set has the look of undulating ground you could use stands of these figures for distant shots quite effectively. You would probably also need to use a bit of cheesecloth or some kind of screen to give a fog/smoke effect as the napoleonic battle fields were covered in thick smoke most of the time. Since they used to march in tight formations it would be easily animated.
just an idea :)
User ID: 0701364 Oct 18th 8:09 PM
Grundle, see what happens when you mention your project, we all want to put our 2 cents in! Neil, the most monkeys I did in one shot was probably around 16, and I had Jon Rowdon animating half of them. It gets tough to keep track of more than 3 or 4 characters at once, but it's also difficult with several animators going in to do their group of characters and having to wait for other animators to finish, or colliding with them, or one animator darting in to make a slight adjustment just as the cameraman takes the shot...to be honest, the thought of crowd scenes tempts me towards the Dark Side (CGI)! Now you mention it, I've seen some of those chicken roll call stills in the Making Of book too, but wonder how much some of the rear ranks of chickens actually move. Maybe some of those lucky bastards in the USA who've had a chance to see the film can tell us.